Baloran The River" 8 Voice Analog Poly Synth
- Ersteller Tomheck
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Tomheck
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Vorbestellung für "The River" beginnt heute um Mitternacht, nur zwanzig Stück werden vorerst gebaut.
Laurent verlangt 2000€ Anzahlung und den Rest vor Anlieferung, der Letzte wird spätestens am 01/03/2018 geliefert, also 9 Monate Wartezeit ...
http://www.baloran.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=277
Gesamtpreis ist 5040€ (inkl. Mehrwertsteuer) und die 20 Ersten sind nur für Frankreich und Europäische Länder verfügbar (220-240V).
Laurent verlangt 2000€ Anzahlung und den Rest vor Anlieferung, der Letzte wird spätestens am 01/03/2018 geliefert, also 9 Monate Wartezeit ...
http://www.baloran.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=277
Gesamtpreis ist 5040€ (inkl. Mehrwertsteuer) und die 20 Ersten sind nur für Frankreich und Europäische Länder verfügbar (220-240V).
S
starling
Guest
Was soll der denn kosten? Hast Du ne Anzahlung gemacht?
fanwander
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Irgendwie sind diese ganzen monströsen analogen Subtraktiv-Synths aus der Zeit gefallen. 1982 wäre er der Wahnsinn gewesen. Und sicher habe ich noch heute tiefen Respekt vor jemandem, der sowas alleine stemmt.tomheck schrieb:
Aber wenn ich heute eine begeisternden Poly-Synth für viel Geld suchen würde, dann wäre das der C15 - aber nicht der River, der Schmitt oder der DeckardsDream.
Tomheck
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starling schrieb:
2000€ Anzahlung mit Rückgabe Garantie falls die Finanzierung nicht reichen sollte die erste Serie zu decken, es ist wirklich Handarbeit. 20 werden hergestellt, der zwanzigste wird spätestens 9 Monate danach geliefert.
Die erste Serie ist nur für Frankreich und Nachbarländer, und 5040€ wird es kosten mit 2 Jahre Garantie.
Da gönne ich mir mal mein Weinachtgeschenk
Tomheck
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Hier, von BALORAN SAS:
"The River Reservation
Polyphonic Analog Multi-Synth Synthesizer
This product is a reservation for "The River" the first batch of twenty "The River".
The booking will start on July 1, 2017 and will be stopped once the twenty bookings have been reached.
The price of "The River", excluding postage, is fixed for this first batch at 4200€ excluding VAT or 5040€ VAT 20% include.
The amount of the deposit is 2000€, it will finance the purchases necessary for the production of the first batch.
The method of calculating the Paypal commission is really not favorable to flows of non-smoothed cash, I ask if possible to favor the bank transfer or the check because 3.4% of a The River is not nothing
The reservation will be effective once the deposit is received. If payment of the deposit is not received within 10 working days, the order will be canceled and the reservation made available to other buyers. An invoice will be issued upon validation of the deposit.
If the success of this reservation does not allow to finance the assembly of the first batch, Baloran SAS may decide not to start the production. All the sums paid will be reimbursed, without penalty to the charge or the benefit of the customer.
After assembly and testing, the customer will be notified individually. The River will be held at the address of Baloran SAS subject to the validated settlement of the balance.
The last "The River" must be delivered no later than March 1, 2018. On this date, the customer of an undelivered copy will be able to cancel his order and be fully reimbursed the deposit paid, without penalty to the charge or the benefit of the customer .
A transport of The River can be organized, via a specialized carrier, in packages on pallets, with or without flight case. The transport charge and / or box will be charged in addition.
For this first batch, The River is exclusively reserved for the French market or European neighboring countries. It will be adapted only to the 220-240 V electrical network. Any order for another destination will be rejected.
The River is guaranteed 2 years, parts and labor, return workshop. It is important not to lose sight of the artisanal character of the instrument and of the company Baloran SAS: we are not able to take care of the logistics and return / shipping costs associated with such an instrument.
In the event of a major design issue for The River, one and only one return of the machine will be supported by Baloran SAS for instrument upgrade.
Some malfunctions can be solved by a partial disassembly / reassembly performed by the customer to avoid a complete return of the machine. If the client prefers a return Workshop, he will have to take care of it.
A few weeks after the reservation, two or three presentation options will be offered. Wood sidewall treatment will also be customizable.
"The River Reservation
Polyphonic Analog Multi-Synth Synthesizer
This product is a reservation for "The River" the first batch of twenty "The River".
The booking will start on July 1, 2017 and will be stopped once the twenty bookings have been reached.
The price of "The River", excluding postage, is fixed for this first batch at 4200€ excluding VAT or 5040€ VAT 20% include.
The amount of the deposit is 2000€, it will finance the purchases necessary for the production of the first batch.
The method of calculating the Paypal commission is really not favorable to flows of non-smoothed cash, I ask if possible to favor the bank transfer or the check because 3.4% of a The River is not nothing
The reservation will be effective once the deposit is received. If payment of the deposit is not received within 10 working days, the order will be canceled and the reservation made available to other buyers. An invoice will be issued upon validation of the deposit.
If the success of this reservation does not allow to finance the assembly of the first batch, Baloran SAS may decide not to start the production. All the sums paid will be reimbursed, without penalty to the charge or the benefit of the customer.
After assembly and testing, the customer will be notified individually. The River will be held at the address of Baloran SAS subject to the validated settlement of the balance.
The last "The River" must be delivered no later than March 1, 2018. On this date, the customer of an undelivered copy will be able to cancel his order and be fully reimbursed the deposit paid, without penalty to the charge or the benefit of the customer .
A transport of The River can be organized, via a specialized carrier, in packages on pallets, with or without flight case. The transport charge and / or box will be charged in addition.
For this first batch, The River is exclusively reserved for the French market or European neighboring countries. It will be adapted only to the 220-240 V electrical network. Any order for another destination will be rejected.
The River is guaranteed 2 years, parts and labor, return workshop. It is important not to lose sight of the artisanal character of the instrument and of the company Baloran SAS: we are not able to take care of the logistics and return / shipping costs associated with such an instrument.
In the event of a major design issue for The River, one and only one return of the machine will be supported by Baloran SAS for instrument upgrade.
Some malfunctions can be solved by a partial disassembly / reassembly performed by the customer to avoid a complete return of the machine. If the client prefers a return Workshop, he will have to take care of it.
A few weeks after the reservation, two or three presentation options will be offered. Wood sidewall treatment will also be customizable.
Tomheck
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Auf GS gepostet:
" I've received some more info from Laurent over email, I hope he doesn't mind sharing this with you:
The River = The RiverKey + The River + The Triko. The built-in keyboard is a Fatar TP 8S, one of the best keyboards to date.
The Riverkey handles information from the internal keyboard and midi / USB drivers. A profile is a combination of 4 layers. Each layer defines:
- A range of keys* (start note and end note)
- A source (internal keyboard, midi, USB)
- A destination (The River, Midi Out or USB Out, CV + Gates)
- A mode (polyphonic, paraphonic, monophonic)
- A transposition (octave / semitone)
- An automaton (arpeggio or sequencer) with transpose,* fast activation, but* no chain / song mode etc...
- A division from the global tempo
- A bend effect
- mode of aftertouch chanel : standard, last key, highest key, lowest key...
The layers can be played simultaneously or individually. So you can create 4 layers that plays on The River, the external midi jacks and via CV Gates pilot a Minimoog, plus a paraphonic modular synthesizer and have an arpeggio or sequencer on each layer ....
The River manages 10 profiles of 4 layers.
The River is eight independent analog voices, even the LFO. The schema is basically that of the moog Source that I modernized and completed. Adding FM from VCO2 to filter, PWM, inverted envelopes etc ...
The River is multitimbral, the matrix of buttons on the left allows to assign from 1 to 8 voices to 1 to 8 channels. We can therefore go up to 8 different sounds of 1 voice. If several voices are assigned to a channel, you can select a unison mode and then set the detune to magnify the monaural sound.
8 Independent LFos is wonderful for the PWM , but less practical for a vibrato. DLFO is a digital LFO that is common to every voice in a channel. It has traditional waveforms, plus S & H, Rand, RE150 crying , AR etc ... This digital LFO can be affected by a mix between velocity, modulation case and aftertouch channel.
On the front panel, the functions preceded by an S indicate that the Shift key must be pressed to access this function. Example: shift + rate of analog LFO = analog LFO delay. The River's keyboard handles two velocities: attack and release. With Shift + Attack and Shift + Release, you can adjust the influence of velocity on attack and release of envelopes.
The Triko is a summator for the 8 voices independent tuning of the level and pan for each voice. It is followed by an Analog Triple Chorus (BBD) and an Echo or Digital Reverb with analog routing. The parameters of The Triko are included in the Sound.
The River allows you to memorize 200 sounds but also 40 performances. A performance is a complete picture of The River's settings: setting of each voice, voices assignments, RiverKey settings and Triko settings.
*
Each voice has its own panoramic and level. The summation is then made in stereo to pass in the Tri Chorus (each chorus also having its panoramic and level) then the effect reverb /echo which also has its panoramic and level
Each voice has an individual output. If a plug is inserted into the output, it is removed from the mix.
The Gates CV outputs can emit 1 digital LFO, attack and release velocity, bend, wheel and aftertouch channel. CV is compatible with V / Octave and Hertz / Volt, Gates is compatible with STrig VTrig. Sequencer and arpeggiator can be sent to CVs Gates and CV Gates supports mono, paraphonic and polyphonic modes.
Today there is no synchronisation of the River via CLOCK inputs. Only midi clocks are managed (in and out) and No CV In, just a LFO Out
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> Can you tell me how much of the audio path is discrete, and where it becomes digital?
The Audio Path is full analog. I Use digipot for pan and level. The Tri Chorus is full analog, The Echo/Reverb is digital but just the Wet. Routing is analog for Dry and mix wet/dray , feedback.
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> Is it possibly to bypass/skip the Triko and stay discrete until the outputs?*
Yes, with ouput for each voice.
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> On the screenshot I do see a CV input, what is this for?
Ruban (pressur control) or CV Pedal "
" I've received some more info from Laurent over email, I hope he doesn't mind sharing this with you:
The River = The RiverKey + The River + The Triko. The built-in keyboard is a Fatar TP 8S, one of the best keyboards to date.
The Riverkey handles information from the internal keyboard and midi / USB drivers. A profile is a combination of 4 layers. Each layer defines:
- A range of keys* (start note and end note)
- A source (internal keyboard, midi, USB)
- A destination (The River, Midi Out or USB Out, CV + Gates)
- A mode (polyphonic, paraphonic, monophonic)
- A transposition (octave / semitone)
- An automaton (arpeggio or sequencer) with transpose,* fast activation, but* no chain / song mode etc...
- A division from the global tempo
- A bend effect
- mode of aftertouch chanel : standard, last key, highest key, lowest key...
The layers can be played simultaneously or individually. So you can create 4 layers that plays on The River, the external midi jacks and via CV Gates pilot a Minimoog, plus a paraphonic modular synthesizer and have an arpeggio or sequencer on each layer ....
The River manages 10 profiles of 4 layers.
The River is eight independent analog voices, even the LFO. The schema is basically that of the moog Source that I modernized and completed. Adding FM from VCO2 to filter, PWM, inverted envelopes etc ...
The River is multitimbral, the matrix of buttons on the left allows to assign from 1 to 8 voices to 1 to 8 channels. We can therefore go up to 8 different sounds of 1 voice. If several voices are assigned to a channel, you can select a unison mode and then set the detune to magnify the monaural sound.
8 Independent LFos is wonderful for the PWM , but less practical for a vibrato. DLFO is a digital LFO that is common to every voice in a channel. It has traditional waveforms, plus S & H, Rand, RE150 crying , AR etc ... This digital LFO can be affected by a mix between velocity, modulation case and aftertouch channel.
On the front panel, the functions preceded by an S indicate that the Shift key must be pressed to access this function. Example: shift + rate of analog LFO = analog LFO delay. The River's keyboard handles two velocities: attack and release. With Shift + Attack and Shift + Release, you can adjust the influence of velocity on attack and release of envelopes.
The Triko is a summator for the 8 voices independent tuning of the level and pan for each voice. It is followed by an Analog Triple Chorus (BBD) and an Echo or Digital Reverb with analog routing. The parameters of The Triko are included in the Sound.
The River allows you to memorize 200 sounds but also 40 performances. A performance is a complete picture of The River's settings: setting of each voice, voices assignments, RiverKey settings and Triko settings.
*
Each voice has its own panoramic and level. The summation is then made in stereo to pass in the Tri Chorus (each chorus also having its panoramic and level) then the effect reverb /echo which also has its panoramic and level
Each voice has an individual output. If a plug is inserted into the output, it is removed from the mix.
The Gates CV outputs can emit 1 digital LFO, attack and release velocity, bend, wheel and aftertouch channel. CV is compatible with V / Octave and Hertz / Volt, Gates is compatible with STrig VTrig. Sequencer and arpeggiator can be sent to CVs Gates and CV Gates supports mono, paraphonic and polyphonic modes.
Today there is no synchronisation of the River via CLOCK inputs. Only midi clocks are managed (in and out) and No CV In, just a LFO Out
-
> Can you tell me how much of the audio path is discrete, and where it becomes digital?
The Audio Path is full analog. I Use digipot for pan and level. The Tri Chorus is full analog, The Echo/Reverb is digital but just the Wet. Routing is analog for Dry and mix wet/dray , feedback.
-
> Is it possibly to bypass/skip the Triko and stay discrete until the outputs?*
Yes, with ouput for each voice.
-
> On the screenshot I do see a CV input, what is this for?
Ruban (pressur control) or CV Pedal "
Moogulator
Admin
Schade, dass die nie in der Nähe sind, scheint ja ordentlich zu klingen.
intercorni
*****
Ich finde den optisch leider ganz und gar nicht gelungen.
Tomheck
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Was findest du nicht gelungen? Die Form, Farbe, UI...?
Ist halt wie immer Geschmacksache, mir gefällt er mit seiner bulligen Form auch nicht wirklich, trotzdem habe ich mir einen bestellt, wenn der Sound stimmt ist Aussehen Nebensache, misslungen finde ich den Synthesizer trotzdem nicht.
spookyman
SynthCat
Für alle die ein bisschen die Sprache von Molière beherschen, gibt es einen sehr ausführlichen Test von Synthwalker mit zahlreichen Audio Beispiele.
https://fr.audiofanzine.com/synthe-...itorial/tests/quand-l-analo-coule-a-flot.html
Klasse Sounds, wirklich schön breit, weich und analog wie ich es schätze...hat aber seinen Preis.
https://fr.audiofanzine.com/synthe-...itorial/tests/quand-l-analo-coule-a-flot.html
Klasse Sounds, wirklich schön breit, weich und analog wie ich es schätze...hat aber seinen Preis.
Lauflicht
TR4ever
Wenn er 8-fach multitimbral ist, kann der dann im Prinzip nicht auch Poly-AT? Das scheint nicht in den Specs zu sein. Geht das wegen dem Keyboard nicht?
Zumindest sollte er doch von aussen dann MPE können?
Zumindest sollte er doch von aussen dann MPE können?
Lauflicht
TR4ever
Augeliefert wird die dunkle und blau-creme Version? Erinnert mich an einen Emulator.
Tomheck
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Hier übersetzt auf Englisch https://translate.google.com/transl...,15700126,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201
intercorni
*****
Kannst ja mal berichten, wenn du ihn hast!
H
hairmetal
Guest
Lauflicht
TR4ever
Gute Frage. Sind bereits Geräte ausgeliefert, oder sind wir noch im ersten Batch? Klingt schon echt gut.
Schon etwa speziell, dass die Baloran Webseite nirgendwo ein Spec-Liste aufführt.
Schon etwa speziell, dass die Baloran Webseite nirgendwo ein Spec-Liste aufführt.
Lauflicht
TR4ever
Lauflicht
TR4ever
Es soll nun doch ein 6U Rack gebaut werden. Macht insbesondere Sinn, wenn man ein MPE Input Device hat.
verstaerker
*****
klingt echt amtlich!
Feinstrom
*****
Lauflicht
TR4ever
Hier das Zitat:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/showpost.php?p=13569206&postcount=717
Korrektur: Er denkt drüber nach, noch keine Zusage.
swissdoc
back on duty
Klingt eher wie Warten auf Godot...
Was anderes: Gibt es irgendwo Bilder von den Guts des Baloran? Wenn ich das recht verstehe, so ist ja alles chip-diskret mit Durchsteckmontage und braucht entsprechend Platz.
Was anderes: Gibt es irgendwo Bilder von den Guts des Baloran? Wenn ich das recht verstehe, so ist ja alles chip-diskret mit Durchsteckmontage und braucht entsprechend Platz.
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