Crossinger
Dilettant™
Ach shit 
Gerade ist ein Plaits unterwegs zu mir. Da hätte ich mit der Bestellung auch noch warten können und ein Doppelpack ordern.
Gerade ist ein Plaits unterwegs zu mir. Da hätte ich mit der Bestellung auch noch warten können und ein Doppelpack ordern.
ID_nrebs
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So wie ich das verstanden habe, wird nach 10sek im freeze mode der buffer gespeichert.
Habe es mir auch mal bestellt... Clouds fand ich irgendwie nicht so cool damals. Aber irgendwie hat mich das allgemeine GAS angesteckt, haha.
Unglaublich gutes Produktdesign übrigens.
bartleby
lieber nicht.
im m.i.-forum gibt emilie einen detaillierten ueberblick ueber die verbesserungen gegenueber clouds:
„A couple of things I have fixed in Beads, because I thought they were an ugly mess in Clouds (and their micro or macro clones).
Input gain stage
When designing Clouds’ IN GAIN circuit, finding a stereo potentiometer that was reliable, compatible in feel with the single-track potentiometers used everywhere else, and had the expected 10mm PCB-to-panel distance turned out to be impossible. Some improvements in reliability were achieved by hand-soldering the part (with its share of support questions - “My Clouds looks like it has been repaired already!”), but all in all, I must have serviced several hundreds of units for scratchy gain pots, listening to Austra’s “Olympia”. And will continue doing so. “She saw the futuuure, and it was daaaark”.
Beads uses converters with a good enough SNR to allow line-to-modular amplification in software. Software gain is good: making it a set-and-forget setting, or allowing automatic gain control, removes clutter from the panel.
Converters, converters, converters
What can I say? The parts used in Clouds and Beads are just not in the same league. Big fangirl of Burr-brown/TI’s PCM line here. And maybe I’m a snob, but I no longer want to say “Greetings codec! Now let’s go through those thirty registers” through I2C to get basic stuff done.
From mono to stereo to mono
I remained firm in my decision to use the MCU’s internal RAM instead of an external RAM IC, since fast RAM access is essential to allow a large number of simultaneous grains.
Beads has 6x the RAM size of Clouds, but very often it will be 12x by automatically switching to mono recording whenever only one input is patched. Remembering to switch between mono and stereo mode was such a pain, and now a thing of the past with Beads.
(as an aside, active detection of patch cable insertion is still my favorite “discovery” I’ve brought to Eurorack).
And a little detail: normalized R to L output is the second part of this equation
Attenurandomizers
If you really want to just patch one jack to an audio input, and a pair of stereo outputs, now you can do it! I won’t be all whiney and cursed-artisty, and you won’t complain about it on muffwiggler. Do it really. Built-in randomization of grain parameters is there to ensure you won’t infuriate the spirit of Xenakis. With some nice Marble-ish work in software to get the right kind of distributions (and certainly not the same white noise source lazily fed to all the CV inputs… this thing was called ‘Clouds’, not ‘Contrails’…)!
And if you like using external CVs, you get both a direct and distribution spread control.
Sub-sample, alias-free, and tuned triggering
Very nice formant-ish or wavetable synthesis sounds can be obtained when the grains are triggered at an audio rate (and even better if this rate can track V/O).
Clouds’ grain triggering was locked to a stiff 1kHz grid, with a DENSITY input not tracking V/O. Beads’ SEED (and FREEZE too!) input is processed at audio rate, its DENSITY input is calibrated for V/O tracking, and the internal grain generation allows sub-sample triggering for accurately reproducing pitched notes without aliasing (with sub-sample access of the recording buffer, and anti-aliased envelopes).
Buffer size, quality, media emulation
Clouds used software down-/up-sampling to achieve its low-quality mode. Beads can do it either in hardware – by simply slowing down the converters – or in software, allowing the dry signal to be processed at the highest quality.
Using Clouds’ low-fi mode as some warbly tape emulation was an interesting emerging application. I took note and nudged things further in that direction in Beads! It’s not just a bit-depth and sample rate setting, it’s a whole sound character – influencing gain staging, feedback control, and reverb color.
Smarter delay stuff
It’s no longer an entirely different mode! It can track V/O! It can go as low as a few samples! And the feedback path no longer incurs a full block (32 samples on Clouds) of delay - it’s exactly one sample long, allowing accurately tuned comb-filtering.
Rhythmic applications
Clouds lacked possibilities for rhythmic applications. Proof: a beat-repeater firmware was developed for it to fill this gap! Beads provides both division and randomization of an external grain triggering clock, and the delay features can be tempo-synced (including access to tempo-synced slices from the buffer).
Playability
Manually playing with FREEZE was fun. Manually triggering bursts of grains with a dedicated pushbutton (or from the GATE output of a keyboard) is a new interesting performance gesture!
Grain size decoupling
Clouds’ DENSITY and SIZE settings were coupled - DENSITY acted more like an overlap control really. Reducing or increasing the grain size without altering the density was not possible. I feel that decoupling these settings communicates more clearly what the module does.
Reversed envelopes, reversed playback
Parasites provided both, though the implementation of the latter wasn’t the most user-friendly.
Multi-purpose BLEND knob
Vade retro satanas.
Size
Oh god that thing was huge (and don’t tell me about the µVersions - none of them look pretty or playable).
Coherence with recent modules
Beads introduces new things in terms of design language (white and RGB LEDs instead of red-yellow-green), but besides that, it looks better next to all my favorites.“
„A couple of things I have fixed in Beads, because I thought they were an ugly mess in Clouds (and their micro or macro clones).
Input gain stage
When designing Clouds’ IN GAIN circuit, finding a stereo potentiometer that was reliable, compatible in feel with the single-track potentiometers used everywhere else, and had the expected 10mm PCB-to-panel distance turned out to be impossible. Some improvements in reliability were achieved by hand-soldering the part (with its share of support questions - “My Clouds looks like it has been repaired already!”), but all in all, I must have serviced several hundreds of units for scratchy gain pots, listening to Austra’s “Olympia”. And will continue doing so. “She saw the futuuure, and it was daaaark”.
Beads uses converters with a good enough SNR to allow line-to-modular amplification in software. Software gain is good: making it a set-and-forget setting, or allowing automatic gain control, removes clutter from the panel.
Converters, converters, converters
What can I say? The parts used in Clouds and Beads are just not in the same league. Big fangirl of Burr-brown/TI’s PCM line here. And maybe I’m a snob, but I no longer want to say “Greetings codec! Now let’s go through those thirty registers” through I2C to get basic stuff done.
From mono to stereo to mono
I remained firm in my decision to use the MCU’s internal RAM instead of an external RAM IC, since fast RAM access is essential to allow a large number of simultaneous grains.
Beads has 6x the RAM size of Clouds, but very often it will be 12x by automatically switching to mono recording whenever only one input is patched. Remembering to switch between mono and stereo mode was such a pain, and now a thing of the past with Beads.
(as an aside, active detection of patch cable insertion is still my favorite “discovery” I’ve brought to Eurorack).
And a little detail: normalized R to L output is the second part of this equation
Attenurandomizers
If you really want to just patch one jack to an audio input, and a pair of stereo outputs, now you can do it! I won’t be all whiney and cursed-artisty, and you won’t complain about it on muffwiggler. Do it really. Built-in randomization of grain parameters is there to ensure you won’t infuriate the spirit of Xenakis. With some nice Marble-ish work in software to get the right kind of distributions (and certainly not the same white noise source lazily fed to all the CV inputs… this thing was called ‘Clouds’, not ‘Contrails’…)!
And if you like using external CVs, you get both a direct and distribution spread control.
Sub-sample, alias-free, and tuned triggering
Very nice formant-ish or wavetable synthesis sounds can be obtained when the grains are triggered at an audio rate (and even better if this rate can track V/O).
Clouds’ grain triggering was locked to a stiff 1kHz grid, with a DENSITY input not tracking V/O. Beads’ SEED (and FREEZE too!) input is processed at audio rate, its DENSITY input is calibrated for V/O tracking, and the internal grain generation allows sub-sample triggering for accurately reproducing pitched notes without aliasing (with sub-sample access of the recording buffer, and anti-aliased envelopes).
Buffer size, quality, media emulation
Clouds used software down-/up-sampling to achieve its low-quality mode. Beads can do it either in hardware – by simply slowing down the converters – or in software, allowing the dry signal to be processed at the highest quality.
Using Clouds’ low-fi mode as some warbly tape emulation was an interesting emerging application. I took note and nudged things further in that direction in Beads! It’s not just a bit-depth and sample rate setting, it’s a whole sound character – influencing gain staging, feedback control, and reverb color.
Smarter delay stuff
It’s no longer an entirely different mode! It can track V/O! It can go as low as a few samples! And the feedback path no longer incurs a full block (32 samples on Clouds) of delay - it’s exactly one sample long, allowing accurately tuned comb-filtering.
Rhythmic applications
Clouds lacked possibilities for rhythmic applications. Proof: a beat-repeater firmware was developed for it to fill this gap! Beads provides both division and randomization of an external grain triggering clock, and the delay features can be tempo-synced (including access to tempo-synced slices from the buffer).
Playability
Manually playing with FREEZE was fun. Manually triggering bursts of grains with a dedicated pushbutton (or from the GATE output of a keyboard) is a new interesting performance gesture!
Grain size decoupling
Clouds’ DENSITY and SIZE settings were coupled - DENSITY acted more like an overlap control really. Reducing or increasing the grain size without altering the density was not possible. I feel that decoupling these settings communicates more clearly what the module does.
Reversed envelopes, reversed playback
Parasites provided both, though the implementation of the latter wasn’t the most user-friendly.
Multi-purpose BLEND knob
Vade retro satanas.
Size
Oh god that thing was huge (and don’t tell me about the µVersions - none of them look pretty or playable).
Coherence with recent modules
Beads introduces new things in terms of design language (white and RGB LEDs instead of red-yellow-green), but besides that, it looks better next to all my favorites.“
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Tie-fighter
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man den habe ich heute morgen verpennt...um 12 Uhr alles ausverkauft....gab es das schon in der eurorack
welt?
lange schon ( zumindest in meinem Freundeskreis ) erwartet....
welt?
lange schon ( zumindest in meinem Freundeskreis ) erwartet....
McModular
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Das Erste hatte optisch aber mehr Charakter.
Jeltz
zerfrettelter Grunzwanzling
Bei Plaits gab es afaik einen ähnlichen Run
Wie eigentlich alles von MI.
Émilie ist eine super talentierte Designerin
fcd72
If these walls could talk....
Das
Das Graphikdesign ist von Hannes Pasqualini : https://www.papernoise.net/portfolio/mutable-instruments-tides-yarns-frames-and-peaks/ - aber du hast recht. Das Produktesign bekommt 13 von 8 möglichen Punkten.Wie eigentlich alles von MI.
Émilie ist eine super talentierte Designerin
Jeltz
zerfrettelter Grunzwanzling
Danke für den Hinweis - Papernoise sollte hier nicht unerwähnt bleiben, der hat ja schon für einige (alle?) Module die Panels entworfen.
Der bekommt von mir auch ein Bienchen ins Muttiheft
Schaltungsdesign und Programmierung (hier glänzt Émilie besonders) meinte ich eigentlich.
Der bekommt von mir auch ein Bienchen ins Muttiheft
Schaltungsdesign und Programmierung (hier glänzt Émilie besonders) meinte ich eigentlich.
G
gilbert
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Was würdet ihr sagen, worin unterscheiden sich beads und arbhar von instruo im Wesentlichen?
moondust
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war auch zu spät in der schweiz war das Modul gestern erhältlich, auch ausverkauft. Habe jetzt vorbestellt.
habe dieses Video gerade noch gefunden .
habe ich eh gewurdert das es schon so einige Videos gibt ,wenn das Modul erst gerade raus kam
hier noch ein Video das mal einiges erklärt
habe dieses Video gerade noch gefunden .
habe ich eh gewurdert das es schon so einige Videos gibt ,wenn das Modul erst gerade raus kam
hier noch ein Video das mal einiges erklärt
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bartleby
lieber nicht.
ausfuehrliche entstehungsgeschichte im m.i.-forum.
aintnopicnic
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Arbahr ist mono und kann das Eingangssignal nicht in Echtzeit verarbeiten.
Doppelter Preis, nerviges Interface.
ID_nrebs
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Sehr schön... Haha, am Ende werde ich auch noch Fanboy.
pyrolator
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Mit dem Preis und Mono kann ich bestätigen, den Rest nicht. Ich finde das Interface gelungen und kann ihn auch gewinnbringend mit ein bisschen patchen live einsetzen, Echtzeit ist halt immer mit Buffer, auch bei Clouds/Beads. Ich war schon Fan von Clouds und habe mir Beads auch bestellt, aber Arbhar hat für mich andere Stärken (und Nachteile).
ASJ
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...gerade die versandmitteilung vom T bekommen...ging ja flott (anfangs war mit einiger wartezeit zu rechnen)...
aintnopicnic
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Mit Echtzeit-Input tight auf einen Beat mit Abahr geht eben nicht. Ich hatte das Modul und weiß, wovon ich spreche.
Siehe auch den Thread auf Muffs, wo die Leute feststellen, dass es eben nicht "Clouds on steroids" ist.
Egal, Thema gehört nicht hier her. Für manche Leute passt das Arbahr ja, alles gut - no offense.
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Green Dino
X---X---X---X
Einige hatten ihre Beads schon seit Anfang Januar.
Joergsen
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pyrolator
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Jeltz
zerfrettelter Grunzwanzling
Ui - auch mein Beads ist auf dem Weg zu mir 
Aber - verdammte Axt - mein Case ist voll und das neue kommt erst nächste Woche.
Irgendwas muss mal kurz das Rack verlassen...
Aber - verdammte Axt - mein Case ist voll und das neue kommt erst nächste Woche.
Irgendwas muss mal kurz das Rack verlassen...
Iso
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Beads ist on the Road 
Heute auch schon mal Platz geschaffen
Heute auch schon mal Platz geschaffen
Iso
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Cowbell?
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