Modular system designs: east coast vs. west coast

tomcat schrieb:
Fidgit schrieb:
The icing on the cake is the complex oscillator. The Wiard Synthesizer Mini-Wave and VCO (manufactured under license by Blacet Research) is a type of complex oscillator and non-linear waveshaper already well established.

Hmm meint er jetzt das der Blacet MiniWave auch ein VCO ist (stimmt ja imho nur begrenzt, der braucht ja einen Sägezahn o.ä. den er dann verbiegen kann) oder meint er das auch der Blacet VCO auf einem Wiard Design aufbaut.
Dieser ist ja auf Sägezahn getrimmt und spielt daher gut mit dem Miniwave zusammen, wenn da aber Wiard Einflüsse drinnen stecken wäre mir das neu und hab ich noch nie gehört.
Ich weiss nicht wass neben dem Miniwave noch in der Wiard Waveform City drinnen ist, evtl. dieser Osc?

Das ist tatsächl. gurkig formuliert. Der Wiard Waveform City ist ein Wavetableosc. mit, glaube ich, eingebauten VCO. Die Blacet/Wiard Mini Wave ist ein Wavetable *ohne* VCO, während das Design des Blacet VCOs nicht von Grant stammt (Analogue Heaven-list):

Terry Michael (formerly Terry Mikulic) when he was a teenager, contributed a significant number of the core circuits published in Electronotes magazine (something like 50%, including the first state variable VCF using OTAs EN#33 Pg. 5, and EN#34 Pg. 16,17).
In particular, Terry perfected and published the "classic sawtooth engine".While sawtooth reset designs had been published by Michael Suchoff (EN#49 Pg. 11) and Paul Titchener (EN#57 Pg. 8), Terry's design (EN#62 Pg. 14 Feb.1976) is the most widely copied.
This design was picked up from Electronotes magazine by the engineers at Moog Music Inc. and others. The design forms the basis for the VCOs used in the Micromoog, Source, Prodigy and the other small Moog synths.No money or acknowledgment was ever paid Terry for the design. It was not legally required, since by publishing the design (at 22) he placed it in the public domain.
Terry continued to improve the design over the next 25 years, and I connected John Blacet with Terry Michael's updated and improved sawtooth engine. This design is technically superior to the VCOs used in the Moogs and all other copies of Terry's older design.
Unfortunately, John apparently did not realize that Terry is the originator of the "classic sawtooth engine" and the other VCOs he studied were copies of Terry's "first" design.
LUCKILY, in spite of the confusion, John Blacet kept the important parts of Terry's new design and they appear in the Blacet VCO!
To summarize:
The Blacet VCO is the only commercial version of Terry Michaels "improved sawtooth engine" (remember the old inferior version sold something like 50,000 copies).
The Blacet VCO is the ONLY version of the "sawtooth engine" officially licensed from the originator of the design.
Best Regards,

Grant Richter
Wiard Synthesizer
 
tomcat schrieb:
Fidgit schrieb:
The icing on the cake is the complex oscillator. The Wiard Synthesizer Mini-Wave and VCO (manufactured under license by Blacet Research) is a type of complex oscillator and non-linear waveshaper already well established.

Hmm meint er jetzt das der Blacet MiniWave auch ein VCO ist (stimmt ja imho nur begrenzt, der braucht ja einen Sägezahn o.ä. den er dann verbiegen kann) oder meint er das auch der Blacet VCO auf einem Wiard Design aufbaut.

Das ist tatsächl. gurkig formuliert. Der Wiard Waveform City ist ein Wavetableosc. mit, glaube ich, eingebauten VCO. Die Blacet/Wiard Mini Wave ist ein Wavetable *ohne* VCO, während das Design des Blacet VCOs nicht von Grant stammt (Analogue Heaven-list):

Terry Michael (formerly Terry Mikulic) when he was a teenager, contributed a significant number of the core circuits published in Electronotes magazine (something like 50%, including the first state variable VCF using OTAs EN#33 Pg. 5, and EN#34 Pg. 16,17).
In particular, Terry perfected and published the "classic sawtooth engine".While sawtooth reset designs had been published by Michael Suchoff (EN#49 Pg. 11) and Paul Titchener (EN#57 Pg. 8 ), Terry's design (EN#62 Pg. 14 Feb.1976) is the most widely copied.
This design was picked up from Electronotes magazine by the engineers at Moog Music Inc. and others. The design forms the basis for the VCOs used in the Micromoog, Source, Prodigy and the other small Moog synths.No money or acknowledgment was ever paid Terry for the design. It was not legally required, since by publishing the design (at 22) he placed it in the public domain.
Terry continued to improve the design over the next 25 years, and I connected John Blacet with Terry Michael's updated and improved sawtooth engine. This design is technically superior to the VCOs used in the Moogs and all other copies of Terry's older design.
Unfortunately, John apparently did not realize that Terry is the originator of the "classic sawtooth engine" and the other VCOs he studied were copies of Terry's "first" design.
LUCKILY, in spite of the confusion, John Blacet kept the important parts of Terry's new design and they appear in the Blacet VCO!
To summarize:
The Blacet VCO is the only commercial version of Terry Michaels "improved sawtooth engine" (remember the old inferior version sold something like 50,000 copies).
The Blacet VCO is the ONLY version of the "sawtooth engine" officially licensed from the originator of the design.
Best Regards,

Grant Richter
Wiard Synthesizer
 
Gerade gefunden, von John Blacet:

The Blacet VCO was designed with some tips from Grant and a contributor
to Electronotes (Terry?). The basic core is pretty much the classic
sawtooth engine with some further temp comp based on the original EMU
modular. Some original stuff includes the VC octave switching and
calibration circuit and the VC waveform.
 
tomcat schrieb:
Gerade gefunden, von John Blacet:

The Blacet VCO was designed with some tips from Grant and a contributor
to Electronotes (Terry?). The basic core is pretty much the classic
sawtooth engine with some further temp comp based on the original EMU
modular. Some original stuff includes the VC octave switching and
calibration circuit and the VC waveform.

Das hatte Grant wohl auch gelesen:
Unfortunately, John apparently did not realize that Terry is the originator of the "classic sawtooth engine" and the other VCOs he studied were copies of Terry's "first" design.

Allerdings beisst sich das mit dem, was er gegen Ende schreibt:

The Blacet VCO is the only commercial version of Terry Michaels "improved sawtooth engine" (...) The Blacet VCO is the ONLY version of the "sawtooth engine" officially licensed from the originator of the design.

Es bleibt ein bißchen mysteriös, doch scheinbar will der als arrogant verschriene Grant keine Lorbeeren abhaben und ob John mit Terry je in Kontakt stand, weiß John evtl. auch besser als Grant... ;-)

Dabei "John und Terry" klingt fast besser als... :lol:
 
Im Blacet VCO Manual steht wie folgt:

The basic sawtooth is further processed by adding together mirrored versions of the saw to provide a triangle output. This circuit is provided by Terry Michaels, a contributor to Electronotes and Grant Richter, of Wiard.


Und irgendwo steht noch drinnen das der in Hinblick auf die Verwendung mit dem Miniwave Modul konzipiert wurde.

Also das Ding hat auf jeden Fall prominente Eltern ;-)
 


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