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Re: roland tb-303 > fast 1:1 nachbau
Oh, haste eine da? Lad ma was hoch zum hören.. Woher kommt die TT303 denn ?
Oh, haste eine da? Lad ma was hoch zum hören.. Woher kommt die TT303 denn ?
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THE NERD schrieb:würde ich so nicht immer sagen, es gibt label die nehmen nur tracks mit original TB.
darsho schrieb:Die dem Label angebotene Musik anhand der verwendeten Hardware zu bewerten (303 ja/nein) ist sicher einfacher, als sich inhaltlich mit der Qualität der Musik auseianderzusetzen.
Geht auch schneller, da kann man sich das anhören der Demos ersparen als Labelmanager.
ich meinte nur die oberschale, nicht das ganze gerät... und auch meinte ich das mit einem ironischen unterton, weil ich nichts von minten oberschalen halte, habe ich hier in diesem thread auch wieder erwähnt.Dave1980 schrieb:Soundwave schrieb:man kann ja anfragen ob sie die oberschale auch mit originaldruck verkaufen, dann ist man endlich mint.
ja in der optic mint. ganz klar. aber der klang eher nicht mint. .
Lesen bildet:Soundwave schrieb:die tb-303 hat tatsächlich einen 24db filter...
This is being discussed on the AH list. Robin Whittle (DevilFish mods) posted this:
(this is purely to share the list info - I have no real knowledge of the situation)
Quote:
On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Robin Whittle <rw****firstpr.com.au> wrote:
> Short version: Cy and Technology Transplant are not one and the same.
>
> The offensive website of Jan 2010 was not necessarily
> the work of Cy, though he did have a dispute with
> AdaFruit Industries.
>
> Cyclone Analogic is Cy and some other people, not
> necessarily all those who were involved in Technology
> Transplant.
>
> I believe it is unlikely that a machine as well designed
> and made as the TT-303 would result from the efforts of
> an antisocial character.
>
> I have been corresponding with Cy since September 2004, via
> chipforbrains@yahoo.com and before that
> chipforbrains@technologytransplant.com (which was the email address of
> the founder of this business in the USA, who is no longer involved).
> The person who normally responds to this email address is a thoughtful
> fellow who is passionate about producing synthesizers. His English is
> at times idiosyncratic - but I find his messages frequently rich and
> engaging.
>
> In the course of this correspondence I have also got one or two messages
> from a totally different character (this was some years ago) who was
> beyond unpleasant. This person was hateful, demeaning and antisocial -
> and made it clear that he was not Cy, but was using the account. I
> don't know his name.
>
> It is my understanding that Technology Transplant was not just Cy. He
> has assured me that the new company - Cyclone Analogic - does not
> involve the antisocial character who was involved in the dispute
> mentioned below. He told me that it involves different investors than
> Technology Transplant did.
>
> The Cyclone Analogic domain names have a different registrant (via
> Goddaddy's whois):
>
> analogic, cyclone wangjing093@gmail.com
> Cyclone Analogic Ltd.
> 17 MaiTak Industrial Bldg.
> #855 F1 Hong Kong, Kowloon 00000
> Hong Kong +852.60616787
>
> from the registrant of technologytransplant.com, which in early 2011 (I
> recall) was registered by the same person who registered the domain
> adafruitindustries.com at which grossly offensive material was hosted
> for a week or less (as I recall) in January 2011. The thread concerning
> that ugly dispute is
> http://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.ph ... =XXXX18854 (remove the
> XXXX and also see thread 19010). That registrant at that time is listed
> in the thread - "Mr. He ZhiYa".
>
> The nameservers for "adafruitindustries.com" are now those of
> ladyada.net and I guess they have been so since the current registration
> period started on 2011-09-20.
>
> There was and I guess still is a dispute between Cy and the AdaFruit
> people. He was accused of not properly acknowledging AdaFruitIndustries
> in eBay listings for x0xb0x kits. I understand he fixed this problem
> and was miffed that many people advertised x0xb0x kits on eBay without
> proper acknowledgement, and without apparent protests from AdaFruit
> Industries. I think the dispute has deeper roots than this.
>
>
> I have only communicated with Cy by email. I don't know anyone who has
> met or spoken with him. I can't prove he was not directly responsible
> for the offensive website and threatening email. That seems out of
> character for the person I know as Cy, but not for the antisocial
> character who was part of Technology Transplant some years ago - and may
> still be a part of it today.
>
> Cy tends not to write to mailing lists such as this. So accusations
> such as: Doug Terrebonne's:
>
>> . . . This is the guy that tried to blackmail LadyAda. . . .
>
> might go unchallenged unless someone like me does so.
>
> I have a vested interest in the success of the TT-303 since it will lead
> to an expansion in the Devil Fish modification work. Irrespective of
> this, I think it is an excellent project - a grand folly made real and
> affordable enough to be bought by thousands of people. There's no
> reason why people should accept my views on the character of Cy and
> whoever else is involved in Cyclone Analogic. However, anyone can
> correspond with Cy and make their own judgements.
>
>
> I think the TT-303 is a far better product than would result from the
> efforts of an anti-social character. It would be possible to sell
> plenty of crappier machines, and to get a crappier machine to market a
> year or so before the current introduction date. They could have sold
> plenty of them with silver-painted knobs and buttons, but instead the
> knobs and buttons are chrome plated. They could have used a plain three
> pin socket for Audio Out, but they use a 9 pin stereo dual SPDT switch
> socket, because it has more pins and therefore is anchored better to the
> PCB. They could have sold plenty of machines with a simpler sequencer
> function and red LEDs. Instead it has an elaborate sequencer with full
> color range RGB LEDs. They could have sold it with a lousy manual, but
> the manual is the product of a great deal of care.
>
> On the PCBs is the text: "Designed in the USA for Cyclone Analogic by
> Rezonance Labs and Technology Transplant". I guess that the schematic,
> PCB and firmware design - and probably the user manual - are the product
> of "Rezonance Labs" in the USA. I think this is all good work.
>
> The impetus for this project clearly comes from Cy in China. A Drum
> Drone TT-606 is next. Cy, his colleagues and investors are now
> producing a well-designed, well-made, instrument which I am sure will
> sell like hot-cakes.
>
> They have the resources and the arguably crazy inclination to get big
> injection-molding dies made in order to create at knob, button, case,
> transistor, resistor and capacitor level a faithful but in other ways
> enhanced reproduction of a 30 year old analogue synthesizer. It is
> difficult for me to believe this is the work of whoever created the
> offensive website.
>
> As an aside, someone wrote to me about the business name. I hadn't
> realised, but it can be seen as Cy-Clone . . .
>
> - Robin http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/TT-303/
Brother303 schrieb:Außerdem bietet er eine originale Devilfish-Mod auch für die TT-303 an!!! Er scheint wohl von dem Gerät überzeugt zu sein... http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/TT-303/
Brother303 schrieb:Hi,
hast natürlich Recht, ist selbstverständlich eine Art Produktpiraterie. Da bin ich voll und ganz bei Dir. Mich würde nur mal interessieren, ob der lange Arm des Gestzes (in Form von Roland-Anwälten) auch bis nach China reicht. Ich glaube, da wäre selbst Roland machtlos...
LG Greg
Sind wir uns da sicher? Könnte es nicht sein, dass es da Lizenzabkommen zwischen Roland und CA gibt. Ich kann mir vorstellen, dass Roland die nicht gemachten Umsätze bei den ganzen x0xb0xen geärgert hat. Selber können wollen sie eine Neuauflage nicht machen, da kommt doch so eine stille Kooperation ganz gelegen. Das wäre nicht das erste Mal dass Roland sowas macht. Schon Multivox war so ein Roland Joint Venture.tom f schrieb:das EINZIGE das FAKT ist, ist dass es sich in der form um PRODUKTPIRATERIE handelt
Crabman schrieb:Da hat wohl jemand Bammel,das seine Original TB Sammlung an Wert verliert
tom f schrieb:Crabman schrieb:Da hat wohl jemand Bammel,das seine Original TB Sammlung an Wert verliert
ach von sammlung kann man bei einer die uebrig ist nicht sprechen.
auch sehe ich das schon langer nicht mehr als "investement" sondern als liebhaberstueck.
ich finde halt einfach "an sich" nicht richtig das so zu kopieren. wenn es andere produkte traefe waere das ebenso faul..
mfg
Crabman schrieb:Man könnte ja jetzt auch ins Feld führen,das Roland in der TB nur zu gern die 24db Transistorkaskade kopiert hätte,damit aber auf den Arsch gefallen sind.Plump gesagt.